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Thursday, November 30, 2006

The Cimbri in Northern Italy

The Cimbri were a Germanic and/or Celtic tribe that attacked the Roman Empire, but were defeated in 101 BC at the Battle of Vercellae. Some accounts suggest that the Cimbri, including women and children, all perished. Others suggest that some of the Cimbri fled to the surrounding country and that their descendants survive in Italy today.

A forthcoming paper by Anders Borglum, et al. (2006), No signature of Y chromosomal resemblance between possible descendants of the Cimbri in Denmark and Northern Italy concludes that the Cimbri in Italy today are genetically distinct from Cimbri living in Himmerland or Denmark.

From the abstract:

Two European populations are believed to be related to the ancient Germanic tribe Cimbri: one living in Northern Italy, the other living in Jutland, Denmark. The people called Cimbri are documented in the ancient Roman historical record. Arriving from the far north their movements can be tracked from successive battles with the Romans. The Cimbri finally entered Italy from the northeast and were defeated at Vercellae (present day Vercelli) in 101 BC by Gaius Marius and his professional legions. Classical sources from the first centuries AD relate the homeland of the Cimbri to the coasts around the Elb estuary (northern Germany) or specifically towards the north (Himmerland in northern Jutland). In the alpine parts of Veneto, northeast of the historical battlefield, local traditions dating back to late medieval time, identify a local population as Cimbri living in Terra dei Cimbri. They are considered the descendents of the Germanic combatants that fled the battlefield at Vercelli. As the defeated Cimbri that possibly fled to the mountains of Northern Italy most likely would have been male (warriors), the present study investigated the possible Y chromosomal diversity of the two present populations using microsatellite markers and single nucleotide polymorphisms. While Cimbri from Himmerland resembled their geographical neighbors from Denmark for the Y-chromosome markers, Cimbri from Italy were significantly differentiated both from Cimbri from Himmerland and from Danes. Therefore, we were not able to show any biological relationship for uniparentally transmitted markers.

The authors looked at both SNP and STR data, and found no relationship between the populations. While it is not possible to dismiss the chance that some limited genetic ties exist, no large scale y-chromosome similarities were found.

4 Comments:

Blogger Raciti Design PTY LTD said...

John Raciti's: Gallic-Belgae R1b STR cluster ©, Belgae R1b STR cluster ©, Belgae DNA Modal ©, Gallic-Belgae DNA Modal ©, (R1b1c9a).

Belgae DNA Modal & Nordic-Celtic Project:

I have come up we this - Belgae DNA Modal through my
Nordic-Celtic DNA project (1051 members).


http://www.ysearch.org/lastname_view.asp?uid=&letter=&lastname=Belgae&viewuid=AX6GA&p=0


http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Nordic-Celtic


http://www.geocities.com/johnraciti2/dna/dna_R1b.html


http://www.genoproject.com

3:50 AM  
Blogger Raciti Design PTY LTD said...

John Raciti's: Gallic-Belgae R1b STR cluster ©, Belgae R1b STR cluster ©, Belgae DNA Modal ©, Gallic-Belgae DNA Modal ©, (R1b1c9a).

Belgae DNA Modal & Nordic-Celtic Project:

I have come up we this - Belgae DNA Modal through my Nordic-Celtic DNA project (1051 members).


http://www.ysearch.org/lastname_view.asp?
uid=&letter=&lastname=Belgae&viewuid=
AX6GA&p=0


http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Nordic-Celtic


http://www.geocities.com/johnraciti2/dna/
dna_R1b.html


http://www.genoproject.com

3:52 AM  
Blogger Solothurn said...

Hi John

I am one off your Belgica modal. I recently tested + to S20550 which is a U152 subclade. 2 meople from the GoNL project are also S20550+.

Best

Brian

10:43 PM  
Blogger Robert V. Spillare said...

Thanks for the informations, I'm from Brazil and my paternal family cames from north Italy, their old ancestors was cimbri, our surname Spillari is an italianization from the original Spiller.

3:00 AM  

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